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Friday, February 04, 2005

Don't Care?

I think the best way for me to put what I am trying to say would be to narrate it in the sequence in which I thought of things.

It started off with a conversation with Ashish Bhaiya when he returned to India after his two years or so at Finland. Somewhere while talking about his various experiences and looking at his photographs, I exclaimed, "What are the vegetable-sellers there like?" And then he made this remark, "There is no social status there! Once you are out of your work, no body would know whether you are a driver, a lab-assistant, a vegetable-seller, a researchers, a professor or a business manager. And neither would any one care."

I later discussed it with Priya, in the context of her experience in Germany. And that's when we got into discussing the origin of this difference between us and them. One of the hypothesis Priya gave was that this absence of care for social status comes from a general attitude of 'not caring' - not just about the social status, but about everything else too! The society is much more individualistic. And one wouldn't bother to know what you are doing with your life - whether you never see your parents, whether you are a single mother, whether you have married and got divorced N number of times, whether you have dropped out of your college, whether you have chosen to study literature instead of engineering, and any thing else!

An example is the attitude of parents towards children. We, Indians, invariably are much more protective than people in most European societies or the Americans. At least, this is the impression I have gotten from those who have had some experience of these societies. The example that Priya cited of the German Prof., under who she worked, can be taken here. It seems one of his daughters has got cancer, she is about our age, is studying away from home and getting her treatment done on her own, possible with the help of her friends. They meet her once in a while, but nothing of the kind of care and worry which you would expect in an Indian home. She has to 'get over it' or 'learn to live with it' is something like how her mother looks at it.

Another example of parental attitude was given by out HR professor recently. Waiting for a train on some station in US, he saw a 8-10 year old kid skating on the platform and carrying out some dangerous steps (as it appeared to him!) like jumping with the skates on the bench and then jumping down etc. Two of his elder siblings and parents were there, talking amongst themselves, least bothered about this kid. At one point of time the kid lost balance and the only thing the father did then was to shout, "Be careful!", to which the kid responded excitedly by saying something about a step which he had been able to perform then, but not earlier. He invited them to watch his performance; they surrounded him and encouraged him in his games. The reaction of the professor was, "I understand the difference. Despite understanding, despite being a psychologist, I shall not be able to let my child do it!"

The family examples are rather extreme ones, but similar differences can be imagined in other social relations and interactions as well.

Now, this is good and this is bad. Good because it gives you independence, freedom and an opportunity to be yourself. It lets the fighter and rebel in you come out. It lets you defy what exists and find something better. Bad when it crosses the thin line between giving freedom and taking away the support systems of life. In the form of a family, you are supposed to have one place which you can turn towards even after losing everything else. Fighting out is good, but when you are absolutely tired, the same social relationships give you time and place to take some rest!

Like most of the things in life, there are no blacks and whites here. And like most of the things, probably no one has been able to achieve that exact line, that separates black from white. One only strives... In this case the societies. And like everything else here too the participants, the societies are bound to oscillate between extremes, go in cycels.

Is it sad? Or is it what life is all about? Going in cycles? (No - no references to 'Moksha' is intended here!)

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1 Comments:

  • At Mon Feb 21, 04:40:00 PM 2005, Blogger Jaya said…

    Since I am removing the Haloscan Comments, I am copy-pasting the comments I got on this post here.

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    Somehow, I think that we put a lot of value on our family system. Yes, it is good sometimes to have a family there for you but I find it most rigid and suffocating.
    ANd I do not think that people in the west are indifferent to their kids. They can be pretty protective too, though not as much as Indians could be.
    Apurva | 02.05.05 - 10:01 am | #

    Quite a few time there is no point in putting in efforts towards the kind of care we indians usually do. Even if we know that sitting beside the sleeping patient (maybe in coma) would not do any good for him, the whole family sits beside him. (Even when one person is enough to help)

    Cannot comment on the indefference about the german prof for her daughter unless I know the background. There could be various reasons.

    Emotionally, this may be not acceptable, but rationally it seems ok. and indian culture is driven by emotions: be it family, rituals, or other things.

    It is tough to believe that people in US/Europe do not care about their children. In my opinion, it's the children who do not want to be cared because it may hinder their freedom.
    What can parents do?

    I find Buddha's tenet "Majjhim Padipada" or "the middle way" as a good solution. Perhaps "finding the middle" is the toughest task.
    Sandeep | 02.05.05 - 5:02 pm | #

    I am afraid my points are not being taken in the way I intended. Am not here to blindly advocate 'Indian values and traditions'. The examples I have cited are not criticisms, let me clarify. I have quoted them in a matter of fact way, as I heard them - wihtout giving judgements!

    What is the right line is an issue I have kept open here.
    Jaya Jha | Homepage | 02.05.05 - 6:42 pm | #

    Hey, I think I have been paraphrased ! :D
    we discussed the 'don't care' hypothesis (I don't remember what I said exactly !) and my prof's wife's reaction at two different instances, and I din't mean one as an example of the other. What struck me is her attitude and the difference in her demonstration of concern- it's not that she doesn't care- but she doesn't consider it necessary to stay with her daughter - while I suppose my mom would in a similar situation. and even the 'don't care' hypothesis was more relative, and more at the social level.. and of course it's simplistic
    Priya | 02.06.05 - 11:03 am | #

    Hmm... looks like I have messed it up! In trying to give it a 'sensational' title, wrote a misleading piece

    Okay - your clarification should do for now, till I re-write the piece - it has indeed been put in the wrong context, at least with wrong words.

    So, readers can ignore this one for the time being
    Jaya Jha | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 12:51 pm | #

    well, most of the post still holds water
    Priya | 02.06.05 - 7:20 pm | #

     

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